Usinage Trochoïdal résolu 750 760 1060

Voila mon premier sujet.
Qui n'a jamais eu envie de réaliser un usinage trochoïdal[/color] !
Oui ce truc de malade qui bouge dans tous les sens et qui fait une rainure de 15mm de large sur 40mm de profondeur avec 2500 trs/minutes et 800 avance a la table avec une fraise de diametre 10MM longueur de coupe 40MM!
Oui c'est possible sans logiciel de CFAO ou autre truc de ce genre qui coute un bras deux jambes
Oui sur sa vieille CN Num avec des vitesses de malade!
Oui c'est possible comme sur ces machines dernier cri qui nous font tous envie mais que l'on ne peut s'offrir par ces temps de CRISE[/color].......................................
Merci a vous chers banquiers! ".
Mais comment faire?????
Sans savoir comment réaliser ce fameux programme qui excute ce petit Miracle!
J' ai une solution 100% fonctionnelle oui c'est possible!
Cette solution vous fera oublier les cycles de poche, les contournages en pleine matiere.........
Le tout en utilisant vos fraises serie longues que l'on redoute tous d'utiliser sur toute leur hauteur en pleine matière de peur de les casser!
Pour ce que cela intéresse d' en savoir plus je suis là pour échanger avec vous.

Pourqoui le pire? dis moi?
les variables tu connais les maths tu connais la solution et si symple!
Machine as tu?

pascal37270 a dit:

bonjour,
j'ai explique dans un topic comment je faisait moi en heidenhain!! alors en num c'est aussi simple! pas besoin d'en faire toute une montagne....


pascal

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Salut a toi Pascal tu me parles de ce que tu as expliqué pour heidenhain comme tu me semble etre tres fort montre nous le resultat sous num! j'attend avec impatiance de lire ce programmme! je te precise qu'il devra etre parametré entierement avec Ø de fraise largeur et longueur de rainure et bien sur le plus important maintenir un debit copeau ap ae le plus inportant possible avec mes conditions de coupe cite en debut de topic


Au final,5 variables suffises pour paramétrer n'importe quelle rainures de n importe quel largeur,longueur,Øfraise,qualité finition et pas de la trochoïde.
L1=largeur rainure.
L2=longueur rainure
L3=Ø fraise
L4=pas
L5=finesse de résolution

Je te parle de G-Code Num

salut pascal pour info environ 4H avec pose cafe....
en plus je peux faire un contour quelconque autre que des rainures mais sa c'est la cerise sur le gateau j'ai hate de lire ton prog fait vite!
moi la video est en compression apres je la balance sur mon youtube et un lien ici pour vous.

Voici la video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEzlbARKHQk

GolGoT58 a dit:

Salut,
Alors là bravo, cela m'a l'air pas mal du tout, et dire que j ai toujours peur de casser ma fraise avec 2mm de profondeur de passe,et le tout sans soft .
nous voudrions en savoir plus,peux tu m'envoyer le G-code par MP

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j'espere que tu as bien recu ce que tu voulais as tu mis en pratique peux tu me dire si sa ta permis de gagner en productivite a la hauteur de ce que tu en attendais?

pour les autres qui suivent ce topic et qui metrise le mode passant voici les point pour une rainure de15 mm de largeur usine dans le sens y avec une fraise de 10mm carbure 4 dents 40 mm de coupe utile en une passe bien sur profondeur 40mm avec condition de coupe que je cite au debut du topic

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GolGoT58 a dit:

salut,
oui,j'ai essayer cet après-midi sur ma fraiseuse numérique qui n est pas de toute jeunesse sous NUM750 et le programme fonctionne correctement.J' ai usiné une rainure avec les conditions de coupe que tu as indiquées et cela c est passé a merveille.Sur une série de pièce qui revient fréquemment cela va me faire gagner un temps fou, je te dirai le gain de temps par la suite.J'attend avec impatiente la suite.
Je posterai a mon tour une vidéo (si je peu).
C'est dingue ce que l on peu faire avec des variables je n y avais jamais pensé.

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salut golgot58 j'attends ta video avec impatience!

pascal37270 a dit:

@tipiak18 je t'ai envoyé ma version en mp
il a des variables, mais pas autant de points
j'ai la version heidenhain qui fonctionne! j'espere que celle que j'ai faite en num fonctionne aussi

a+

pascal

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slt pascal bien recu ton mp et je t'ai repondu a+

tranquille a dit:

Le GRAAL circule en MP

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slt tranquille LE GRAAL suivant de methode de 2 personne differentent un prog en radian et un en degre au choix !
tu as quoi comme machine?

pascal37270 a dit:

bonjour

@tranquille je n'ai rien contre de la fait de partager, ce que j'ai envoyé a tipiak18 etait un programme que je voulais qu'il me valide par la simulation et tu comprendras que je ne veux pas mettre quelque chose qui ne fonctionne pas sur le forum.
il fonctionne mais il me reste encore a devolopper un peu pour optimiser le parcours, mais rassure toi des que ce sera au point je mettrais a disposition ma version en num et en heidenhain que je developpe en meme temps.

maintenant, je ne sais pas ce que tipiak18 veux faire de son programme.

a plus
pascal

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je te confirme comme tu me l'a demade ton prog fonctionne en dehors du L20 A REMPLACER PAR EXEMPLE L120 et L21 PAR L121 100% FONCTIONNEL qui n'existe pas tu peux le mettre en ligne. juste pour info ton prog realiser plus une succetion de de plat qu'une tronchoide car la finesse de resolution en degre reste non fine voila

tranquille a dit:

On est dans un forum, pas une secte
Il me semble que le partage est de mise ici, alors vos cachoteries en MP ne répondent pas vraiment à la mentalité du lieu

Quand je vois un bonhomme arriver avec sa science et qu'il ne la partage pas, j'aurai tendance à dire que c'est du pipeau, surtout quand c'est un alcolyte qui a 2 messages qui le soutien !

Ton post est vide de toute technique. Ca ne m'étonnerai pas que tu repartes avec tes mystères, et pour cause.

Au vu des savoirs et des personnes qui habitent ce forum, je préfère, et de loin, une approche plus conviviale que la tienne

Perso, j'ai une X3 et j'ai pas besoin de trokomachin et je ne sais pas le programmer

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Le partage des connaissances et une chose mais il ne faut pas vivre du travail des autres x3 avec quoi comme num?

JLuc69 a dit:

TIPIACK18 a dit:

Le partage des connaissances et une chose mais il ne faut pas vivre du travail des autres x3 avec quoi comme num?

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Je suis d'accord avec toi qu'il ne faut pas vivre sur le travail des autres, mais tu viens faire un topic en te vantant de faire du fraisage trochloïdal en programmation paramétrée mais il n'y a pas un seul bout d'explication sur le "comment je mis suis pris", "quelles sont les difficultés", "où sont les erreurs à éviter",....
Pour moi et pour plein de gens, ton post est inutile : il n'apprend rien à personne à part le fait que tu te fais mousser. Ca s'appelle aussi de la branlette cérébrale

Ne vois rien d’agressif dans mes propos, juste des constatations

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Salut a toi JLuc69

Pour toi et pour ce qui trouve mon topic vide d'info
Voila comment proceder:
faire une recherche sur google formule trochoidal
vous allez trouver deux types de formules a ma connaissance peut etre plus je n'ai pas lu tout le web!
quand tu auras choisi ta formule reviens me voir avec celle de ton choix plus un dessin qui represente la forme geometrique des composants d'une trochoide.
Pour info c'est deux cercle un de grand diametre examples 50 mm et un plus petit dont le diametre exemple 10mm et inferieur au rayon du grand et qui ce trouve a l'interieur et qui sont tangeant. tu repere les deux rayons de chaque cercle les centres le tout dans un repere orthonormé.
Je t'expliquerai le paramètrage d une formule, fait une recherche sur google pour voir la definition de variable si tu ne connais pas.

le reste bientot desque tu auras trouve ces infos
Pour ce qui trouve que je ne partage pas dans ma video vous voyez le programme en cour d' execution la page infos avec vitesse... plus les pages des variables en cours de recalcul pendant l'usinage et en plus la ligne encours d' execution! dite moi ce que vous voulez de plus peut etre le graphique il est vrai j'ai oublie !

el_toto a dit:

pascal37270 a dit:

juste pour info, tu as mis combien de temps a sortir un programme "viable"? (j'aime bien les defis!)

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TIPIACK18 a dit:

salut pascal pour info environ 4H avec pose cafe....
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TIPIACK18 a dit:

[partage des connaissances et une chose mais il ne faut pas vivre du travail des autres x3 avec quoi comme num?

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Sois un peu plus humble, tu n as pas decouvert le boson...

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salut a toi le el_toto peux tu me dire ou j'ai ecri que j'avais decouvert ou invente quelque chose si tu trouve repond et cite moi ok ! Qui es tu pour me juger l'inventeur du boson non a ce que je sache!